OK! Magazine
July 28th, 2000

The In-depth Interview

Interview: Ian Woodward
Photography: Tony Ward



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The British star of 'Dynasty' shares her joy on her wonderful new role as grandmother to baby Jude.


Stephanie and JudeStephanie Beacham has become a glamorous grandmother. In fact, when daughter Phoebe presented her with her first grandchild four months ago, the family insisted she should be called not 'Grandma' but 'Glam-ma'.

Phoebe, 25, an actress like her famous mum, and her 23-year-old sister Chloe, who works in marketing for Internet company www.virtuetv.com, are products of Stephanie's marriage to actor John McEnery, which ended when the girls were young. Now based in Los Angeles, where she made her name on television as Sable Colby in Dynasty and its spin-off, The Colbys, the 53 year old is currently starring in the West End comedy A Busy Day. Phoebe lives in Bristol with her husband, property developer Nicholas Penny, and was delighted to share her joy with OK! readers...

Phoebe, tell us about the moment you discovered you were pregnant...

I just remember feeling overwhelmed and thrilled, because the father was Nick and I just knew he was the right one. I rang him from the doctors, where they did the pregnancy test which came back positive, and Nick said: "You'd better get home for a glass of champagne then! It was a happy accident that turned into something we always wanted. The timing was perfect for Nick, and for me it felt completely right. We had a whirlwind romance - marrying last year on my birthday, December 29. We're very much in love.

When did you tell your mother?

About two weeks after I found out. I wanted to make sure everything was safe. When I knew it was all fine, I told her and she was absolutely thrilled. She said, "Well, the two of you are very strong and you've got a great relationship. Congratulations!"

What do you recall of the last few days leading up to the birth?

Phoebe: It was a tense time because I was two weeks overdue and I had a lot of time to worry. So I tried to relax by having acupuncture and aromatherapy.

Stephanie: In the end, as we waited, we knitted a few extra unnecessary little baby Jude sweaters.

Phoebe: I went into hospital on the Tuesday and he was born two days later, but in between that time, nothing happened so I discharged myself and went home. My mum was there, which helped to keep me calm, happy and focused. I went back in the next day and my contractions started.

How did the birth go?

Phoebe: It went really easily and I managed to push him out in about an hour. Nick and Mum were in the delivery room with me and it was just so reassuring to have them both there. Nick was fantastic, very brave, very supportive, very strong for me; and I couldn't have done without Mummy...

Stephanie: The whole experience was as big as - and strangely not so different from - being with my mother when she was dying two years ago. To see the amount of energy it takes to get on this planet and, in a strange way, the amount of energy it takes to get off it, was very moving. But I don't think I cried properly for a couple of days, and then I just suddenly wept. I thought, 'He's here and he's beautiful and he's perfect and everything's working. It's done.'

I had to steel myself, you see, for Jude being born. I had been so moved by my mother's death at the age of 85 and by Daddy dying soon after at 91, that all my natural feelings of joy were dormant.

In the end, as it happened, Jude came into the world at the perfect time and my heart was ready to be warmed again. It's amazing what he's done for us all. I know that Phoebe's understanding of me has been deepened by her becoming a mother - just as my understanding of my mother was deepened when I became a mother.

How do you most differ?

Stephanie: I think I plan more, while Phoebe's more spontaneous. You can't bring up two children single-handedly as I did without planning.

Phoebe: I'm more outwardly sociable, a little more gregarious than her.

Stephanie, how are you taking your new role as a grandmother?

Well, until Jude arrived, I had been feeling like an orphan because of my parents dying. There was a feeling of bereftness - I couldn't phone my best friend, my mother, every day. So to suddenly be a grandma is a delicious entitlement.

Do you see it as a new phase in your life?

Stephanie: Yes, that's exactly what it is. I've done the very best work that I could do for my parents - as indeed did my brothers and sisters - and for my girls. And then there was a gap when my daughters were no longer tied to my umbilical cord and it was not my place to be in daily contact with them, and now suddenly I can be an active granny. Or, as Phoebe likes to call me. Glam-ma.

Phoebe: Yes, she's the most glamorous, beautiful grandmother there is. She knows it's new period in her life - a new era. The whole family were very upset by Grandmother dying, and I think we were still suffering slightly until Jude came along and brought us such joy.

What's your mother like as a 'glam-ma'?

Completely devoted to the role, as I always knew she would be. Our grandmother was an incredible woman, and I feel so lucky that Jude now has such an amazing grandmother. As she did with us, she'll just share her love and be completely wonderful with him. She said it was nice to have a boy in the family - and she's going to have a lot of fun with Jude and they're going to be great friends.

Stephanie, how do you get on with Nick?

We were both present at that extraordinary time of Jude's birth and I was so utterly impressed by the communication between Nick and Phoebe. During the whole of her 12 hours of labour they didn't speak. They looked each other in the eyes and gave each other the strength from this unspoken love. He cares so completely for my daughter, so how could I not care so completely for him?

Phoebe and Stephanie, what are the qualities you respect in each other?

Phoebe: I love the fact that she's strong, brave and intelligent, and that her heart's in the right place. I love how, despite a lot of hardship in her life, she's managed to stay on top and be a player and never give up.

Stephanie: I love her heart, goodness and humour.

How do mother and daughter get on?

Stephanie: We've never had a phase of not getting on. There were times when Phoebe was at college and wasn't coping domestically - I think it's called growing up - and I had to intervene to bring some order to her life. But that's all.

Phoebe: We're very close, Mum, Chloe and I, because we grew up as a threesome after my father left around 1986. We went to live with Mummy. We were both in boarding school in Taunton and at weekends we would spend time with our grandparents. During the holidays, we'd fly out to the US to be with her in LA, where she was making Dynasty and The Colbys. She single-handedly brought us up, and gave us the best possible education. It was quite a feat.

What do you remember about that LA period?

Stephanie: When I was in The Colbys, one of the sweetest things I recall was when (her co-star) Charlton Heston was haranguing my character, Sable, and he suddenly dried stone dead. I said to him, 'What's the matter?'

He said, 'Look over there.' Phoebe and Chloe were looking at him with such disbelief that anybody could speak to their mother like that. Their horrified expressions had caught his eye on the side of the set and it totally threw him.

Phoebe: I just remember how rich Dynasty and The Colbys had made us, but also how much hard work success takes if you want it. When we first went to the States it was like Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz going through from the black-and-white world into the world of Technicolor.

Tell us about your hopes for the future - how do you see your relationships progressing?

Stephanie: I can only say that I am thrilled with the relationship that I have with both my girls, and I know that it will continue forever. And how it is wonderful when that closeness touches three generations again, as it did when my parents were alive. If I can begin to fill my mother's shoes as far as her grandchildren are concerned, I'll be very, very happy. And if I can be as good a granny to Jude as my mum was to Chloe and Phoebe, then I'll be overjoyed.

Phoebe: If she can carry on being there for Jude, then the family jigsaw will be complete. We've tragically lost one grandmother but, with the birth of my baby, a new grandmother has emerged. Good old Glam-ma!








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