She
is in a frisky mood, sitting on the terrace of a hotel overlooking
the Pacific, sipping dietary correct Pellegrino water, watching
the sun go down. She looks wonderful, as always, small, firm and
trim as no 49-year-old mother of two has the right to be, more
mellow and humorous than I recall from her days playing Sable in
The Colbys [it is a truism, universally remarked upon,
that actresses in preposterous but popular parts become
pretentious and pompous in inverse proportion: to their thespian
stature]. Now that her two daughters - Phoebe (20) and Chloe (18)
from marriage to actor John McEnery which ended in divorce in 1980
- are grown up, she is re-assessing life. "I'm like the Queen
Mary, turning slowly. I hope I don't hit the rocks."
She
has been gardening all afternoon and the time flew so fast she
missed a planned visit to see her friend Jane Seymour's infant
twins. "Babies fall naturally into my arms. Ask me about my
talent as an actress and I can't say, but give me a baby with
colic and I'll calm it better than most. I'd like to have had
lots of kids, but it would have been selfish and antisocial.
"The
only thing I object to about being female - it is the best sex
to be - is that, my goodness, you boys can 'play it again Sam'
with more aplomb than us. Mind you, it doesn't mean you're
useful human beings, even when you're doing it, if you see what
I mean."
No,
I don't, I tell her. "Well you should. A lot of your sex
don't do it at all well, and have no responsibility. Men don't
seem to be up to much - basic slime, really, but I have
compassion for your situation. All the most efficient, clever
and funny people I meet are women. We're the movers and shakers
now, though we're still at the stage where we have to be twice
as good to get as far. Men have had it too good for too long.
It's not that I've had bad experiences - I have some wonderful
men friends - it's that they treat their women so badly. The
riotous unfaithfulness is sickening to behold. It's universal in
your sex, you know. We women are always talking about it and
don't understand. I heard a wonderful line in a thirties film
the other day something like, 'They are given the chance by
unenlightened women.'"
Of
course. Any man knows women are to blame. She lights a
cigarette, searches for an ashtray (I'm damned if I'm going to
pass, her one; no New Man, me), and continues: "It starts
in childhood. Boys are aggressive wimps. Girls are nurturing,
bright and sociable. I'm beginning to wonder if we need men.
It's nothing to do with sex. Sex is always terribly important,
but it needn't be more than a percentage of time, need it? I'm
not interested in being answerable and I enjoy the absolute
freedom of not having to say, 'I'm sorry'. You need men as
friends on a broad spectrum and I have different partnerships
for different occasions - swimming, sailing. A hunk for sex, a
caring man for shopping? That's pretty much what I'm saying.
Maybe your lover also likes shopping. Maybe he doesn't. Perhaps
you only play tennis with him."
Come
off it, I tease. All you really want is a cosy relationship. "You
mean claustrophobic hell?" she laughs - her diatribe is
accompanied by much jollity - and then remains silent for a long
while. "The pause is because I'm trying to remember any
happy couple, apart from my parents. I'm not disillusioned. I'm
illuminated. Not a bitter taste in the mouth. More a bright
light in the brain. You suddenly think, 'Hey, kids, life is
good, life is free, life is choices.' Men and women are utterly
different - vive la difference and all that -but we have
to aim at good human being-ship, and you boys are lagging
because you haven't appreciated that you've got to scratch you
heads and think it all over again. I suppose I have to be in
favour of New Man and, yes, it's wonderful that daddy does
things, but some New Men wear their babies like trophies. You'll
do better if you look after your wife, and she cares for the
baby. The ideal is the way you see it in pictures of Mary
holding Jesus, with Joseph protecting them both. The only reason
women set up this fantasy that we need men is because sometimes
we do - and childbirth is one occasion."
For
ten years, since starring as Sable Colby in Dynasty and
The Colbys [her Mercedes number plate, SAB, is a
reminder of those heady, £20,000-a-week days], she has
lived in California, "Mummy was worried when I came here.
She thought I'd replaced love with money. I hadn't, but when
you're paying boarding school fees for two girls, money does
become awfully important. I enjoyed The Colbys but cried
on the aeroplane returning from England for the second series
and realised I needed to get myself a flat, a dog, a doll's
house and a plant to water. Once I had those simple
requirements, it was home and I was all right. There's something
romantic about the fact that a little girl from Barnet gets to
meet all sorts of people."
She
is keeping an apartment in LA, but selling her house by the
ocean. "I bought at the top of the market in 1989, and will
be lucky to walk away with the moving costs. At first I didn't
want Hollywood to go to my head, then I said, 'Stephanie, if you
don't let this experience change you it's a waste.' Buying the
house was tragic egotism, a strange delusion of grandeur but,
hell's bells, it was a wonderful death blow to the guilt I felt
for living, let alone being successful. There's a lot of convent
girl still in me."
One
of four children, brought up in north London, she was a bit
wild. "I used to run away from school, change my frock on
the train and visit a boyfriend in Oxford. I was quite dreadful.
Mummy had to remove me from school on one occasion because I
dyed my hair green. Now I am definitely receiving what I deserve
from my own daughters. Tame they are not, but they are
wonderful. On a daily basis I thank God for them. I wish they
still wanted me to buy their socks and knickers, but they regard
me as the pet dog; pat it and keep it happy."
Her
first ambition was to teach deaf children to dance [she is
partially deaf herself], so she studied mime in Paris, and
worked as an au pair. "That didn't last long before the
Spanish maid hit me over the head with a boot. She hated me
because I was simpering with the parents but totally
irresponsible with their son. I'd leave him watching a Punch and
Judy show while I went for coffee with friends. They gave me
lots of Chanel No 5 and packed me back to England where I
visited a boyfriend, who was a founder member of the Liverpool
Everyman. I thought, 'This is me,' auditioned with some O-level
Shakespeare and got in. When I told my parents I was going to
Rada, Daddy asked what I planned to do for a living, but Mummy
thought it was all right because they taught deportment and
turned you into a nice young girl."
The
nice young girl has had to be a strong single mother. "I've
felt the icy winds around my chest," she says. "I'm
tough as old boots, but I'm not the slightest bit hard - quite a
soft touch really. Americans call it 'emotionally available'. I
cry easily and hope I'm a conscious human being." She has
investigated regressing ("When you want help you ask the
child in you what to do. Most people's personalities are set by
the age of six") but in times of stress she travels to Las
Vegas for a day with friends. "I gamble no more than a good
dress would cost, and behave disgracefully. It's cheap therapy."
Occasionally she envies people like Dorothea, her socialite part
in No Bananas - "Women who have a husband to look
after them and can buy as many clothes as they like. I get it
out of my system by playing them. She's a completely dependent
human being, selfish, diverting and I love her to pieces, but
feel sorry for her as a specimen of womankind.
"I
haven't dared look at the series yet. If I watch anything too
soon, I think I'm completely over the top, or very close to it,
because that's where I prefer to be. The only problem with the
part was that I'm hopeless at that driving business and Dorothea
loves driving. They found me a 1939 car with a preselector gear
which you press and then use the clutchy-what's it. I'm
perfectly accurate at steering, but have utterly no interest in
the boys' toys aspects of cars, like changing gears."
After
the filming she toured England in Strindberg's The Father.
"To go to places like Bath and Richmond, in a play with
long frocks with silly words that packed them in, written by
someone who died ages ago, in... for heaven's sake that's a
privilege. And to be in a TV series at the same time. Excuse me!
High five! I'm amazingly grateful. I haven't been enormously
ambitious, so haven't suffered enormous rejection. I've done
tons of stuff, and enjoy everything. In retirement I want to
paint - my drawing is very simple line stuff - and I'd like to
travel more. I'm ready for a bit of South America and Africa. I
made a foray in New Zealand and Australia last year,
capitalising on being known, parlaying my way around by giving a
couple of lunch talks."
In
personal terms, though, it has been a difficult year. Both
parents, in their 80s, are ailing and when she was filming No
Bananas in England her King Charles spaniel, Emily, left at
home in California, slipped on a shiny floor, broke her back and
died. "Awful, awful. Such a major tragedy. She wouldn't
have died if she'd been with me. I hate the dog immigration
laws. It can't be fear of rabies - you have injections. It must
be dog breeders not wanting to allow imports. We rush our
racehorses in and out, and they get thousands of diseases. It's
one reason I might live in France, although the pound is so
atrocious at the moment against the franc. Do I ever get
depressed? Do you call it depressed when your dog dies and you
weep for eight hours? I call that normal. But neither pity me,
nor envy me."
The
sun sets spectacularly over the Pacific, and she says, "Today
I was rollerblading. Tomorrow I'm sailing. I've planted my
basil, my coriander and my mint - the only three herbs I need on
a daily basis- as well as pansies, wonderful jasmine and tons of
gorgeous things. Sorry, but I don't understand why one is not
supposed to like LA. Yes, sometimes it's superficial. Sometimes
I am. But LA is also capable of being really profound - and yes,
I am, too. Only an idiot wouldn't like it here. I see no
advantage in more than a week of winter. This is my home, but
not totally because my parents, kids and a lot of friends are in
England. Why do you have to choose? Can I not be a world
citizen? I am utterly English, but I am not anti-American."
Time
for indulgence. She orders a caffe latte, "with a
ton of chocolate on top. But no cinnamon, please." A girl
has to know when to stop.